非常时期

很真实，也能很残酷。
我不想看这种片子啦。。。总是让我很郁闷。
但是，即使不看，这种故事也在我身边发生。

没个战场都有这样的杀人疯子。
看看他们的现实生活吧！有些是他们无法控制的。
有些他们做的并不是自己想做的。
关键是他们无法控制自己。或者没人带他们走出来。
或者说这一切都是政府的错。都是他们灌输了一种错误的理念。
这样的朋友让人恐惧，更让人心碎。

也许是AMERICAN PSYCHO里的暴虐演技还没排毒彻底，机械师后遗症还没康复，新蝙蝠侠BALE同学当年继续非正常人类猛男下去，加上训练日编剧AYER充导演的一贯硬汉做派，将战后创伤叙述得如此猛男实属不易。片子诚恳结合上了蛊惑仔们的成年危机，毕竟养家活口正经工作的压力不比道上混得容易；幸好，导演并没将叙事教条化生活化，街坊们还是会时不时被寻仇插喉爆头，看着仇人们在自己的尸体前念几句南美悼词，街头诗意十足，痛快淋漓。

为什么我觉得这片儿很耐看看了两遍 那些琐屑的情节或者对话一丁点没让我觉得乏味始终有种每个镜头每句对白都不想漏掉的感觉

电影的主题是战后创伤，但表现的并不是很直白，作为观众还发现重点就会觉得混乱

男主从战场归来，虽然安全无恙，但战争的经历已经让他没办法回归生活、用平常心思考那些战场上“把人切碎了”之类的记忆，他只能通过混乱的关系、嗑药、暴力让自己不去想，直到精神上崩溃，
政府对于士兵的测试已经测出他心理上“不合格”，他归来后的战争创伤是不合格的，这使他没办法继续稳定的工作，也因此让他没有办法接他的外籍女友入境，他把一切的希望寄托于联邦的新职务，但后来发现他还是去做杀人的勾当，这让他精神上更加恶化，直到濒临崩溃

他本不是恶棍，但他在混乱中却一直在做着一切恶棍才会做的事……用一种没有感觉的态度来对待一切，曾经有一责留言，说，我这辈子干过最疯狂的事，就是清醒的看待我周围的一切…就像男主一样
可惜最后他选择了继续奔赴战场，其实他承受不了，于是他真的开始崩溃了……

我想即使是男人，也一样是血肉之躯，在战争那样难以想象的血腥和残暴中，男主很不幸是最前线的，他做过的事，并不是他真的可以承受，
对于战后创伤还推荐蜘蛛侠的一部“兄弟”，那也是部好片子，表现的主题更突出

被射中脚踵阿喀琉斯

邓肯现已入土为安
纷繁动荡的人生已经结束，如今他安眠九泉
弑上毒谋业已得逞，什么钢刀什么毒丸，
什么内乱，外祸，无论什么，再也不能对他造成灾患
《麦克白》


当我自己凭着脑子里的一个闪念写下这个标题，就觉得有些装13.阿喀琉斯是英雄，是冥河水中浸泡，烈火炼出来的希腊神人，克里斯丁贝尔饰演的海湾战争老兵算得了什么？洛杉矶的无业游民？还是湾区的小流氓？还是一个残缺人格的疯子？
对了，残缺的，正是阿喀琉斯的脚踵，所以当我们看到荷马史诗中阿喀琉斯被阿波罗射中脚踵的时候都惋惜不已。一位作战勇猛，对敌人如风卷残云冷酷，对同志如春风化雨般温暖的古希腊战士，终于被脚踵这小小的弱点所打败。是所谓千里之堤溃于蚁穴如此云云。
而克里斯丁贝尔残缺的，是在战争中失去的灵魂，满手蘸满鲜血的战士，在记忆中闪回的总是屠杀，屠杀，再屠杀。回国之后，饱受精神创伤的老兵却又面临工作碰壁，爱人无法移民的境地。于是在暴力与压力催化之下，如同被射中脚踵的阿喀琉斯，终于走向了自我灭亡之路。
片中让我感到枯燥的，是二人在车中的对话，夹杂着洛杉矶南岸俚语的两个男人互相鼓励，却又共同堕落，酒精，烟草，大麻，一切可以麻醉自我，让自己忘却生活的烦恼的催化剂，他们都使用，所有对这些软性麻醉剂的强迫式依赖，真正反映出的是他们满目疮痍的内心。抢劫小混混，飙车，买卖枪支，他们走在了社会秩序的边缘，可他们掺杂着希望却又充满绝望的冗长对话却又吸引了我，我不想提男性荷尔蒙之类的屁话，可某些默契，终究还是只有男人才懂的。
拥有家庭的弗雷迪·罗德里格斯是克里斯丁贝尔的挚友，陪着他整日堕落，在他的精神即将崩溃之时拉他一把，并且最终在他失控之后将重伤的挚友杀死，我想支撑他的，应该是背后那位”绝望主妇“伊娃饰演的妻子。而正如导演的灵感一闪所促成的结局-----杀死自己的朋友，是怎样的感觉？
并非是疯狂而杀，而是不得不杀，这才是悲哀。似乎从一开始就注定了克里斯丁贝尔之死,因为他早已被过去的恶魔所环抱，他的疯狂，他于社会的格格不入，已经将他推向了死亡的边缘。
当手枪已经指向自己深爱的人时，一切就已经结束。
所以当他被那个老人一发散弹枪击穿肺叶时，未尝不是一种幸运之死，死在自己最爱的朋友身边，再也不用再次被送上哥伦比亚的修罗场，成为一个自己都痛恨的修罗。
于是阿喀琉斯倒下了，他的脚踵早已伤痕累累，但他无怨无悔。
最后的画面，当我看到弗雷迪·罗德里格斯狂奔着，满面泪痕地跑向自己的妻子，自己的家庭，自己唯一可以依靠的东西，拥抱着伊娃痛哭失声时，不由得想，他也未尝不是幸运之子。
至少，他有个温暖的怀抱。

Bale就适合演这样的狂躁症患者，前一秒钟还好好的。
主角从片头开始就在不停的往毁灭自己的道路上走，一直走。
他自己也知道这一点，看上去他一直就等着结束的一刻来临。
他也想好，但也知道好不了了。
最后一刻，他说出心里话，我死有余辜。
吸引人的是他有一颗纯净的心灵，
他的国外的，破烂而温馨的家就是他心灵的映射。
他不属于这个国家，在这个表面光鲜实际肮脏的国家里，他是十足的弱者，
虽然他无时不刻不在逞强。

一个人的悲惨结局是他个人的悲剧。
一个“想好”的人的悲惨结局是社会的悲剧。

导演是《训练日》的导演，片子不赖，特别是最后，出现了一辆车，能和《训练日》里面丹泽尔的车一样，“升起来”，看来导演喜欢这种东西。

最后一个是我回的，ID“he_lao_liu”。

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Argument for people who didn't like. READ
by keyzersoze21 5 days ago (Sun Jun 17 2007 17:31:41) Ignore this User | Report Abuse

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I have to disagree with people's complaints about this movie. I can name a few parts where the acting is undeniably good especially in the last half hour. Bale's accent does sound kind of awkward at first but I think that's because it's just another mask like somebody else said, him trying to be someone else. It's also funny that it seems like everyone who actually lives in LA says the accents are spot on and everyone who says it's off doesn't. This movie is brilliant and if you don't like it it's just not for you or you didn't get it but it is by no means a bad movie. Bale's performance may not be flawless like it usually is but altogether he is very believable. It helps if you know people similar to his character but I think alot of us do. I think if you hated it maybe you should give it a second chance.

"you are the devil, we are the D"
Re: Argument for people who didn't like. READ
by WarriorSaint 4 days ago (Mon Jun 18 2007 12:53:26) Ignore this User | Report Abuse

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I couldn't agree with you more, my friend.

I live on the outer edge of the ghetto, but not in LA, in the bay area. I still felt that the accents were okay though and that wasn't even my thing. The thing I hated the most is people who seem to have no clue what those areas and the people in them are like. I hear so many people complaining about the choices the characters make, how stupid they are, etc.

I'm like guys, just because YOU and I wouldn't do those kinda things doesnt mean NO ONE ELSE WOULD EITHER...not to mention just because a character is doing something you wouldnt normally do doesnt mean the movie sucks.

But hey to each their own.

I just wanted to compliment you and am glad to see someone GET'S IT!

Kill Pedro....Napoleon Dynamite SUCKED!!!
Re: Argument for people who didn't like. READ
by he_lao_liu 9 minutes ago (Fri Jun 22 2007 22:01:18)

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I cannot agree with you two more...

to WarriorSaint:
I love your "just because YOU and I wouldn't do those kinda things doesnt mean NO ONE ELSE WOULD EITHER...not to mention just because a character is doing something you wouldnt normally do doesnt mean the movie sucks", very very true.
Your attitude about movies is kinda like normal common sense, which every movie viewer should have. But when some people are angry with the movie, they suddenly totally forget their "NORMAL" common sense--they merely want to give vent to their own anger--so they just "UGLY" the movie, this is many many people's doing, I myself have done this kinda things several times (of course, not toward Harsh Times) too. So, in deeper sense, we understand them.

to keyzersoze21:
I totally agree with you except the "a second chance" thing...Everyone has his own taste, feel, sense, etc...In a word, people are different. So there are totally different opinions toward the same movie, this is possible, actually very normal. especially when someone already had a bad expression by the first viewing, a second chance will hardly make any change--maybe just make the expression worse. But nothing is impossible, changes sometimes may happen, I had experienced once.

And about Training Day. Training Day is better in directing, filming and other technical things. But Training Day never tries to really unravel the true and ugly side of life. I very agree that Training Day is a successful commercial movie, but it cannot really touch viewer's heart. Harsh Times, tries to do something deeper. As a first directing film, it has some flaws, but at some points (especially the last half hour), it can make viewer's heart really feel. Anybody feels this would agree this is far more important and precious. So all in all, I like Training Day, but I love Harsh Times.